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Industry Relations Episode 7: Greg Fischer Takes Us Back to the Future with NYC Brokers vs. Zillow

We’re feeling a little déjà vu at Industry Relations as controversy brews between Zillow and brokers in NYC. Everything old is new again with the launch of the premier agent feature on leading real estate marketplace StreetEasy. For the last ten years, agents across the country have dealt with syndication – and it seems New York real estate’s time has come.

Today’s guest, Greg Fischer, serves as principal broker at Fred Real Estate Group in Bend, Oregon, and author of the blog Next in Housing. His unique background also includes work in the tech industry with real estate software companies Move, Inc. in San Francisco and Doorsteps in New York City. This makes him uniquely qualified to discuss the bruhaha as NYC brokers decide whether to pay the Zillow tax or boycott it.

**Audio alert.  Robertson’s audio track has an echo effect that we couldn’t get rid of in post.  But Fischer and Rob audio (which handle the majority of the discussion) sounds great.***

What’s Discussed:

How NYC brokers reacted to the premier agent feature on StreetEasy

How StreetEasy GM Susan Daimler justified the change

-Home shoppers deserve the option to connect with agent who represents only them

The explicit language used by the StreetEasy product to suggest a buyer agent

Why NYC should seek the counsel of brokerages around the country who have dealt with syndication

How Manhattan real estate does business differently

-Listing agents are used to owning all buyer leads

REBNY’s request for an investigation into the legality of advertising an exclusive listing

The potential to create an MLS in NYC

-Change in compensation model

-Dominance of top ten listing brokers

-Legal ramifications of only sharing data feed with REBNY

The differences among IDX, VOW and StreetEasy’s premier agent

The danger of dual agency

Fischer’s take on leads generated via third-party websites

-Inquiries rarely lead to sales

The evolution of Zillow’s playbook on generating revenue

Why brokerages need to get savvy on how ad tech works

The value of agents as local experts

Compass CEO Robert Reffkin’s concession to Zillow

Resources:

Greg Fischer’s Premier Agent Blog Post

The Real Deal’s Premier Agent Article

The Real Deal’s Premier Agent Video

Vendor Alley Job Board

Connect with Greg Fischer:

Blog

Twitter

New Industry Relations podcast episode: Does the Agent’s Fiduciary Duty Extend to Listing on Zillow?

 

The Industry Relations podcast is available on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher.  If you are new to podcasting and an iPhone user my favorite podcast app is Overcast.

Rob and Greg are back with yet another spirited debate. This time they explore whether fiduciary duty extends to listing on Zillow. With Zillow’s current dominance, Rob argues that to provide maximum exposure for your seller client, listing on the platform is a must.

Rob and Greg get into the perception of Zillow as a threat as well as the issue of buyer agency. Listen and decide whether the responsibility to act in the client’s best interest means that a realtor is obligated to list on Zillow.

What’s Discussed:

The current dominance of Zillow

-Quarterly record Revenue of $227.6 million increased 34% year-over-year

-Full year 2016 record Revenue of $846.6 million, up 31% year-over-year

Rob’s argument that fiduciary duty requires listing on Zillow

-Must provide seller client with maximum exposure

-Only exception is when the client has other interests that take precedence (i.e.: privacy concerns)

-Brief your client and have them sign off if you do choose not to use the platform

The potential for lawsuits if agents don’t use Zillow

How the internet has changed the value proposition of the MLS from an advertising standpoint

Why the perception of Zillow as a threat is flawed

-Zillow is a vendor that relies on agents for its existence

-Their continued success depends on the model staying the same

The core complaints against Zillow

-Buyer agency

-Zestimates

-Access to information lessens realtor’s value

Resources:

Inman Report on Zillow

Rob’s Zillow Blog Post

Connect with Rob and Greg:

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

The Rob and Greg Show

I’ve been really having a good time with my new podcast, Listing Bits. In Episode 5 I teased that Rob Hahn (The Notorious R.O.B.) and I were launching another podcast, called “Industry Relations“. I’m happy to announce that it’s now available on iTunes, Google Play and Stitcher with 4 episodes.

Here’s the rundown.

In Episode 1 Rob and I discuss the state of organized real estate.
In Episode 2 we talk about the state of MLS industry.
Episode 3 we invited special guests, David Charron, Andrea Bushnell along with Sunny Lake and discuss her “NAR Girl Boss” initiative.
In episode 4 (which is just being posted) we discuss what’s going on in Canada, specifically British Columbia, and how it might effect real estate here in the U.S.

We are currently looking for sponsors. So if you want to reach some the industry finest, please drop me a line at vendor.alley@gmail.com

Brenda Carnegie joins Metro Market Trends, Inc.


Metro Market Trends, Inc. Welcomes Brenda Carnegie

Brenda has served in the real estate industry for over 25 years starting as an MLS Director in Clearwater, Florida. She has held
positions with Interealty (now part of CoreLogic), Realist, and Coldwell Banker Residential. Brenda was responsible for managing
MLS system installations, sales and member support, as well as developing and implementing Broker-based solutions.

Brenda was part of the realtor.com® Industry Relations Team from 2009-2015 as Director of Industry Relations, providing support to Associations/MLSs in the Southeast.

Congrats to RealtyWEB.net and Brenda!

Lion & Orb partners to offer broker and agent websites

Luxury Presence and Lion & Orb Partner To Bring Top-Performing Websites and Marketing Services to Real Estate Brokers and Agents

Luxury Presence provides top-tier website design, development, and maintenance services along with leading-edge digital marketing strategies, including SEO, social media, advertising, and content marketing. The firm currently provides website and digital marketing services to 17 of the top 100 real estate agents and brokerages ranked on the REAL Trends and Wall Street Journal national rankings. Top luxury real estate clients include Jade Mills and ​Hilton & Hyland​.


With its proven public relations strategy and deep industry experience, Lion & Orb will bring increased visibility to Luxury Presence’s quality web design and strategic approach to marketing. Together, the two companies will be creating customized websites, social media marketing and media reports to maximize the visibility, reach and impact of each new campaign for brokers and agents.

I was talking with a few people at Inman Connect NYC last week about that there really is no clear leader in broker and agent websites. I think marrying a publicity service and a well designed website makes a ton of sense, especially with Audie Chamberlain’s, CEO of Lion & Orb, deep contacts.

See you at T3!

Looking forward to seeing many of you at the T3 Summit this week. Looks like Stefan and company have put together another great event.

Katie and I arrive on Wednesday afternoon. Rob Hahn and I will be doing live recordings of our podcast “Industry Relations” so I hope to include a few of you in those conversations as well.

And remember what Tio Greg says, “Never go big on the first night!”

Listing Bits: The Century 21 Rebrand with CEO Nick Bailey


‘Defy mediocrity and deliver extraordinary experiences.’

Century 21 has been in business for the past 47 years, and in that time, the branding has remained virtually unchanged. When Nick Bailey took the reins, however, he moved quickly to rebrand the company in a way that reflects the consumer-driven movement in the industry, engenders multi-generational appeal, and inspires his global team to deliver extraordinary experiences.

Nick took on the role of CEO and President of Century 21 in August 2017, and he is responsible for the organization’s 8K offices and 118K independent contractors in 80 countries around the world. He has 21 years of experience in the industry, earning his real estate license at the age of 21. Nick served as the VP of Growth and Development at RE/MAX World Headquarters for 12 years and VP of Broker Relations for Zillow Group for five years. He is a leader in franchising, brokerage management and technology, and Nick is known for increasing margins while mitigating the impact of economic change.

Today Nick explains how his diverse background allows him to see issues through different lenses, including that of the consumer. He walks us through the Century 21 rebrand, discussing the company’s new motto around delivering extraordinary experiences and the positive response to its new brand identity. Nick speaks to Century 21’s reputation for training, his take on new models like iBuyers, and the consumer-driven movement in real estate. Listen in for Nick’s insight on the necessity for open network, mobile-first technology and the healthy competition between Century 21 and Realogy.

What’s Discussed:

How Nick’s diverse real estate background helps create clarity

The consumer-driven movement in the real estate industry

Nick’s insight on the core of Century 21’s business

-Help affiliates grow companies

-Help agents get closings

Century 21’s new motto around delivering extraordinary experiences

The positive response to Century 21’s new brand identity

-Cross-functional (mid-priced AND high-end)

-Multi-generational appeal

How a brand’s design impacts consumer trust

Century 21’s reputation for training and education

Nick’s take on new models like Redfin and iBuyers

How the process of finding buyers and sellers has evolved

The difference between home search and home shopper

How agents remain essential to consumers despite industry disruption

Nick’s preference for integrated, open network technology

The healthy competition between Realogy and Century 21

Century 21’s international presence


Connect with Nick Bailey:

 Century 21

Century 21 on YouTube

Century 21 on Twitter

Nick on LinkedIn

Would you like some cheese with your whine Greg?

There has been a shift lately. It’s happened over the past couple years and it’s starting to get a little ugly.

I believe the advent of “front end of choice” is amping things up. Here’s what I’m hearing from others in the industry and my own observations. I’ll break it down it to two parts.

Part I: Why should I help you?

As they say everything old is new again. The MLS industry is going through some changes. It reminds me of back when web-based MLS systems were starting to come out. The traditional MLS vendors freaked out as these new systems were installed “in parallel”. Same thing is happening now. But the 3rd party vendors today are a bit more brazen. Here’s an example.

Remine’s wheel of fortune

MLS 2.0? Now, can you see why some current MLS vendors are hesitant to work with these companies?

A common rant is, “Why should I work with these guys when they are openly trying to put me out of business”?

You add that to tactics like employee poaching and product bashing and you can see how this could get out of hand. And full discloser my own company has been guilty of this to some degree.

These new companies are well funded, but NEED to get big fast. They have a certain amount of capital that won’t last long, so they NEED to be aggressive, otherwise they die. That puts a very different dynamic into the mix.

Yikes!

-MLS launches app, email goes out.
-All agents get phone call
-More emails…more phone calls
-Agent downloads an app, agent gets a phone call.
-More emails…more phone calls
-Agent touches a button, agents gets a phone call.

It can be relentless. All powered by state of the art software, auto-dialers and the latest in marketing automation.

Look I’m all for competition. I thrive on it. And many of these companies have really smart and talented people working for them. I also believe many of these same people want to improve the industry. But it’s still important to remember that we all have a symbiotic relation to each other. We all need to work together and play fair. Which brings me to part two.

Part II: Leveling the playing field (not that playing field)

The other shift I’m seeing is MLS providers giving special access to the MLS membership to select vendors. Most data access agreements coming from the MLS provider have language that states the 3rd party vendor cannot use the agent roster for marketing purposes or to create any derivative work form the MLS data. To me the membership roster was always “sanctum sanctorum“. It made sense that the MLS provider wanted to protect their membership and not show favor to any one vendor.

But lately this seems to have changed. It seems that because of special pricing or that the MLS provider now has equity in these new products they have let things slide.

I see a lot of emails (and get a lot of phone calls) that are obviously using the MLS roster. Hell, I just get a few of these calls and I’m afraid to pick up the phone! Sometimes these inquires come in the form of straight up spam (possibly on behalf of the vendor) from agents wanting me to activate my “X” account or crazy claims like fulfilling the promise of “100s of leads now”, or even “beating Zillow”. Here’s just few examples.

This also has existing MLS vendors scratching their heads. Is this special access? Is this type of marketing available for their tools? Or are these vendors going rouge and not ahering to their agreement with the MLS provider? Same questions come from many 3rd party vendors.

This seems to go against showing favor to one or more vendors. If so, how can others get this same level of access?

I’m fully aware that some might take this post as one vendor whining about another vendor. Or “talk about the pot calling the kettle black Robertson!” I get that. Again, I think competition is good thing but have always prided myself on following the rules and being a good “partner” and part of the community. But still, as I’ve stated, my company is far from blameless.

That being said the feeling I’m getting now is that the gloves are off. And sooner than later everyone will be protecting their turf. And that can lead to bigger problems.

As I said, many of these new companies are playing a different game, they NEED to be super aggressive. And that’s the worry. How do we strike this balance? And I think we need to look at the importance the MLS provider’s role in, dare I say, making the market work and vendors need to look at how their behavior can make positive change as well.

Pam O’Connor, CEO & President of LeadingRE set to retire

LeadingRE Announces Retirement of President/CEO Pam O’Connor

“O’Connor began her career in the promotion department of WSB Television in Atlanta and later co-owned Bryson-O’Connor Public Relations in Atlanta, but her professional focus has long been in the real estate industry. The first woman executive to head a major real estate network in 1985, her experience managing real estate and relocation organizations extends back 30 years to prior networks All Points Relocation Service and RELO®.

What an incredible legacy. Always found her to have a ton a class and smart as they come. Congrats on your well deserved retirement, Pam.

Weekend Update Script from CMLS 2016

Update (9.23.16 at 9:45pm)

I’ve added the images of the slides and a video to this post.

I thought I would post my script from my “weekend update” session at CMLS 2016. Sorry for any typos…

“Hi, I’m Greg Robertson, and here’s your WEEKEND MLS UPDATE

1. Upstream announced today two key hires to help with implementation and operations.

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Upstream CEO, Alex Lange in a statement said, “We think with the help of Penn & Teller we really might get this thing to work.”

2. Speaking of Upstream.

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I have no real joke here, just the logo.

3. RPR announced today they found the one REALTOR using RPR to create reports.

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It turned out to be the 2 year old son of Joe Lightman, a REALTOR in Spokane Washington, who had somehow managed to get at Daddy’s keyboard.

4. In other related AMP news, Marty Frame announced that in tandem with the release of AMP they will also launch a new API that will replace MLS executives.

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In a statement, Mr. Frame said “It was actually a pretty easy thing to do, since no MLS execs follow business rules.”

5. This morning it was announced that Adrese Roundtree will replace Daniel Craig as the new James Bond.

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It might be the only time in the film’s franchise history that the new Bond will get less ass than the actor that plays him.

6. Donald Trump threw his hat in the ring to be the next CEO of the national association of realtors.

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In a statement Mr. Trump said that if he loses the general election this year, he will run to become NAR CEO.

When asked why he would like to take NAR’s top spot, Mr. Trump exclaimed “I thought the salary was fantastic!”

7. Right on the heels of Zillow’s announcement that Diverse Solutions would be sold to MarketLeader, Zillow today announced it would also be selling DotLoop to Market Leader as well.

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No money was exchanged, Zillow said in a statement that the only terms of the deal was that Market Leader had to take Austin Alision and his Twitter account with him.

8. Hey did you hear that thanks to the MLS industry the people at Oxford Dictionaries announced earlier this week that they have added a new phrase?

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In 2017 “Industry Relations” will be added to the Oxford Dictionary

9. CMLS CEO, Denee Evans, today announced another major partnership. This is right after CMLS announced a deal with NAR.

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The Prince of Darkness. That’s right, the devil himself. Because, at this point, what’s the difference?

10. Also, after the stunning success of showing a video of alcoholics in recovery at the CMLS Gala Wednesday night CMLS announced that next year they will be adding videos showing lap band surgery and the dangers of STDs.

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This way nobody will want to drink, eat or fuck at a CMLS conference ever again.

11. Hey, did you hear about the minor crisis at the SW Steakhouse at the Wynn last night?

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From what I hear the famed steakhouse ran out of Silver Oak! But don’t worry the HAR staff was quickly relocated to Nobu across the street where the evening when on as planned.

12. Matrix today announced that they have changed the name of their new MLS software product.

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Formally known as Matrix 360, they have changed the name to Matrix 2060 to correlate with their new release date.

13. Anyone have any idea of what this number means?

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This is how many days its been since the realty alliance said the MLS industry had 10 days left.

Thank for everyone being such a good sport. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow!

Also Freddy Sarabia (who also shot a video of my MLS Rap earlier this year) was in the audience and got a lot of my session on video. Enjoy!

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